Chappell Roan is opening up about the major "turning point" that helped her become who she is.

The "Giver" singer along with drag queen Sasha Colby appeared on the May 20 episode of the Outlaws podcast hosted by TS Madison for a lengthy chat about championing LGBTQIA+ rights, the stigma of blue eyeshadow, random things they would like to ban, and getting to where they are today and coming into their own.

Roan, who defined herself as a "fierce" singer, songwriter and drag queen, explained how growing up in a religious environment as a "Midwestern girly," she was taught that certain things were not to be respected, "like sex work, gay people, drag queens, blue eyeshadow, like it could be down to the long nails..."

However, the "Good Luck, Babe!" hitmaker credited going to gay clubs with helping her learn how to break away from those thoughts as being the spark that "created this monster."

"Gay clubs, go go dancers specifically," she said. "I was in shock and l was in awe, and it was just like, 'How do I be them?' Just watching go go dancers. I always wanted to feel sexy in that way because I felt so shameful about being sexy. There was, like, this weird thing in my head that I thought the more modest you were, like the better woman you were, or like the more, kind of subdued, the more you will be respected."

Seeing people express themselves freely changed something in her and influenced her to become the rule-breaking artist she is today, known for calling out injustices and speaking her mind while still putting on a show.

According to the Outlaws podcast description, "Madison sits down with living legends and rising stars who shed their armor and own their stories — turning side-eyes into sermons, pain into punchlines, and grief into galaxies."

Follow along with the Outlaws podcast each week or catch up on past episodes at iHeart.com.

Paul James